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Mailwasher's bouncing is stupid
digimind
thwack
I've just finally realized this, because I was curious what it looked like... so I sent a test message to one of my own addresses and had Mailwasher bounce it. The bounced message was bounced not from the original recipient address, but from my final address!

That is a bad thing, see, because if a spammer sends me a message to my price.org, fathom.org, or rit.edu address and I bounce it, they'll receive the bounce from my rr.com address. First of all, since the bounce error they receive doesn't mention the original address at all, they have no idea to delete it from their list (if they care to, which I know most probably won't anyway). So, the primary function of bouncing isn't even working. But secondly, by sending a bounce error from an address different than that to which they sent me the spam, I'm effectively GIVING them a new address at which to spam me! Bouncing is doing more harm than good!

And there's no way to tell it to only bounce messages that are actually addressed to my rr.com address. For those the bouncing actually wouldn't hurt and might help. But for all other messages, it's just incredibly stupid to be sending a bounce message. So I disabled bouncing altogether.

The other functions of Mailwasher are still valuable though, such as blacklisting, remote deleting, filtering, etc. So I'll continue to use it for that. But I think they really need to re-evaluate their bouncing strategy.

By the way, Mailwasher sucks for another reason too now... and that would be that they decided to make a "Free" and "Pro" version. All fine and dandy, except that they REMOVED features from the previous version to make the new Free version. That means that if I "upgrade" to the latest version, I lose features. How stupid is that?

A common theme in this entry seems to be stupidity. If it wasn't for all the stupid aspects of Mailwasher, I might actually shell out the money for the pro version even if just for the sake of supporting a good program. But sorry, I'm not going to support stupidity.

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That's why I use Popfile, and don't have to worry about things like that.

Behold the power of open source. 3,116 e-mails processed. 97% accuracy. One false spam positive, a few erroneous spam negatives. The rest, just training popfile to filter my e-mail.

Spammers are getting cleverer. I just got one that had every buzzword spam filters look for mangled by inserting the html comment <!--thwack--> to split the word into two unrecognizable pieces. POPFile classified it as personal (even though "thwack" is most likely to appear in spam...)

Ah, I think I remember reading that POPFile ignores comments. That would do it. Too bad it doesn't stitch words broken by comments.

Re: That's why...

That's exactly what spammers are doing. The false negatives that I have gotten generally use html/xml comments or empty tags to break up high probabilit words (like, viagra, or perscription, or mortgage). I believe that the next version of POPFile will be better able to scan the mail by doing multiple passes with extraneous tags removed. Right now, some HTML tokens are remembered, including the inner contents of a comment block.

I can't wait to get real internet access in for home so I can pull the spam out of my rit account. I had 28 e-mails waiting for me yesterday. 12 spam. *sigh*

Maybe you should let them know these things.

They wouldn't care what this cheapskate free user thinks. :-P

I think I'll give POPFile a try.

Long Live Updates

(Anonymous)
Did you know that it is possible to couple POPFile with MailWasher? Probably not.
But the freeware hounds always suck the blood out of developers.
Give me my freeware and you live off of beans. Now that is stupid. Don't 'cha think?

Re: Long Live Updates

Yes I knew POPFile and MailWasher could be coupled, but why bother if I don't want to do what MailWasher does?

And yes it is stupid for "freeware hounds" to expect so much from the developers - that's exactly why I said I wouldn't bring this stuff up with them. I'm in no position to complain about something I got for free.

And the developers don't have to live off beans. Chances are if they're doing it for free, it's because they enjoy it. If they can't afford to do that, then they charge money for it. And that's exactly what MailWasher did - they went from freeware to shareware.

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